In The Oil Patch – Episode 201: This week on “In The Oil Patch”: host Kym Bolado welcomes Amy Chronis, Houston Managing Partner at Deloitte and Duane Dickson, Vice Chairman, US Oil, Gas & Chemicals Sector Leader, Deloitte LLP!
We’re also joined by David Blackmon, Editor of SHALE Magazine!
-Originally aired on 5/4/2019 – 5/5/2019-
Alvin Bailey: (00:00)
Welcome to In The Oil Patch presented by Shale Magazine and sponsored by STEER broadcasting today from Aggreko studios. Aggreko powering the Permian. In The Oil Patch is where together, we explore topics that affect us all in oil, gas, business and in your community. Every week your host Kym Bolado will visit with the movers and shakers in this fast paced industry. You’ll hear from industry experts, elected officials, and many more right here on In The Oil Patch.
Kym Bolado: (00:29)
Welcome to In The Oil Patch radio show. I’m your host Kym Bolado today. We have a great show lined up for you. We will be joined in studio by Amy Chronis who is the Houston managing partner for Deloitte as well as Duane Dickson, who is the Vice chairman of U.S. oil, gas and chemicals leader for Deloitte as well. But first I’d like to tell you about the latest issue of Shale Magazine. It’s a wonderful issue. It breaks down the topic of natural gas, talks about importing, exporting. So if you have questions on what’s happening, there’s a lot of media attention around this clean burning fuel. So you definitely want to go to shalemag.com that’s spelled s h a l e m a g.com. Again, that’s s h a l e m a g.com. And remember it’s free. And did I mention for less than $80 a year, you can get a full year subscription to Shale Magazine. And again, all you have to do is visit shale, s h a l e m a g.com and get your subscription mailed directly to your office or home. And now it’s time to bring on our editor of Shale Magazine, David Blackman. David, welcome to the show.
David Blackmon: (01:46)
Hey, it’s a beautiful day in Texas.
Kym Bolado: (01:48)
Sure is. Well, you know, when you say the weather, it could also mean weather like it’s kind of raining down assets and money and all kinds of crazy things here in Texas. And last week, you know, we talked about this whole, Occidental and Chevron both vying for Anadarko and you know, there was some very interesting things that had happened last week. And so I want to get back on the topic because it’s just truly taking over a lot of the media. There’s just a lot to talk about. A lot of things are happening. So now that we’ve seen that there is, Oxy is now tried to acquire Anadarko once again. You know, my question is this, do you think that it’s going to reopen negotiations with Oxy? I mean, there’s been a little bit of some talk, but how really, how valid is it do you think?
David Blackmon: (02:48)
Yeah, so Anadarko’s board did reopen those negotiations with oxy. It’s the first of the week. And that was after, as we talked last week, Oxy had come in with a higher offer than they had originally made and significantly, frankly higher than Chevron’s offer that Anadarko had originally accepted. So, I guess it’s not really surprising that Anadarko’s board made that move. They really probably kinda had to, I’m sure they were getting a lot of pressure from investors. There are a lot of other factors that go into a merger like this other than in addition to, you know, just the pure dollar amount. There’s, factors of whether or not the two organizations are compatible with each other. Things like whether the acquiring company really has the capacity to consume or to rationalize all those new assets and an organization. And, and so a lot of that will be discussions of those ongoing talks, but it’s a big deal. I know Chevron’s disappointed, frankly that Anadarko made that move. But, now the pressure’s kind of on Chevron to come back with a higher offer.
Kym Bolado: (04:01)
Yeah. And you know, when all this was going on and the offer was made, I didn’t find any media reports that had been disclosed that Oxy had visited Warren Buffet as well, and that Warren Buffett had come on the side of Occidental or Oxy, to the tune of $10 billion dollars of making an investment. Now, I guess my question would be with Warren Buffett now in the picture giving or not giving, but bringing in $10 billion of an investment who’s in the driver’s seat now? How much is Warren Buffett involved in this as well?
David Blackmon: (04:40)
Well, it’s, you know, it’s certainly is a big boost to have, Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffett in your corner. $10 billion takes a lot of pressure off of Oxy financially. There were questions about, you know, how much new debt Oxy would have to take on in order to finance the Anadarko deal. And, so bringing Buffet on in this way, what he’s done is he’s made a commitment to purchase $10 billion worth of work to make a $10 billion equity investment in Oxy. And in return for that, he would, get a bunch of shares of the company with high dividend right attached to them. So it’s kind of similar to taking on debt, but it’s not through a bank and it’s not the traditional way and it’s all contingent on Oxy actually winning this negotiation or this competition with Chevron. That’s a big deal. You know what I mean? Anytime you have Warren Buffett in your corner,
He can come to our corner.
Yeah, you want to get a piece of that deal.
Kym Bolado: (05:48)
Well, and how many business professionals like himself really do jump involved in shale plays. I mean, this is somewhat new, that area too.
David Blackmon: (05:58)
Yeah. You know, he’s an interesting guy. He’s for a long time, had a big position and Conoco Phillips, I don’t know whether or not he still does, but he does take pretty significant positions in, oil and gas companies from time to time and but he’s, he’s very selective and picky about it.
Kym Bolado: (06:16)
Right. When he sees the winner he sees the winner. Let’s switch gears a little bit and talk a little bit about Permian Basin. Pioneer’s announcement that it was selling off all of the last remaining Eagle Ford acreage they had in assets and is going up purely focused on Permian basin. What do you think that means? Are they looking for a buyout? I mean, hey, right now the market is hot for Annadarko, do you think they’re trying to jump in on the action as well or what are your thoughts on this? What’s, what’s making them want to sell acreages in Eagle Ford Shale.
David Blackmon: (06:53)
Well, you know, it’s the end of a year long process. They announced a year ago February that they were, were going to sell everything other than the Permian Basin assets and become a pure Permian play. They’ve consistently said this is for the sake of efficiency, the financials are better, more profitable to drill in the Permian Basin than anywhere else. And so it would improve their income statement and balance sheet to do this. But at the same time, there is no doubt, and I wrote a piece at shalemag.com on this week. There is no doubt that becoming a pure Permian play like this, will make that company a more of a target for a big acquiring company like Chevron or Oxy, whoever loses this battle for Anadarko. Well there and now there’s going to be this pure Permian place sitting there with a gigantic chunk of acreage right in the middle of the Midland basin. What are the real sweet spots in the Permian region. It’s going to be really interesting to watch. The Permian region is full of companies that seem like pretty attractive targets these days for these bigger companies like Exxon Mobil and Chevron to come take a look at.
Kym Bolado: (08:02)
And isn’t it also, somewhat expected that once one starts getting acquired, obviously the big guys are taking a look at the Permian basin. It has been built out by a lot of smaller companies and now it’s really ripe for the picking, if you will, for big guys to move in there, cause there’s just so much going on over there.
David Blackmon: (08:24)
Right, it’s the hardest play in the world and everybody wants to be in it and the companies that are there, want bigger positions in it. When you have companies, like these majors all engaged in that region, not just Chevron and Exxon, but Shell and BP as well. These are companies with a lot of money sitting around waiting to be invested and there’s no better place to invest it than in more Permian assets. I really think in drilling info, and other analysts do to, that there we’re probably going a period of time here where there’s going to be quite a bit of consolidation going on.
Kym Bolado: (08:59)
Interesting. And I’m also wondering though, you know, there’s so much discussion that we need to stop drilling and yet it seems like with the Permian Basin, there is no shortage to drill out there. And I just wonder what these environmentalist especially like in DC or wondering like this doesn’t seem to slow down at all in the United States. It’s not happening. It’s actually investor coming to invest in the United States. What are your thoughts?
David Blackmon: (09:22)
Right. Investors from all over the world coming to invest in the United States and here in Texas because of the world needs the energy. We need the energy in America and there’s no viable substitute for it frankly. And so, I mean, we can talk about not drilling and all we want to, but unless people want to freeze in the dark and pay electricity bills three times as high as we have now, we kind of have to keep doing it at least for the time being. And, we have a presidential contest going on and Beto O’Rourke is out there talking about drilling moratoriums but it’s all just rhetoric. But it’s not practical and you really can’t do what they’re talking about doing.
Kym Bolado: (10:01)
Excellent. Well David, that is all the time that we have for the show. Thanks for joining us this weekend. We look forward to having you back next week.
Great. I’ll look forward to it.
And with that we do have to take a quick break, but when we return, we will be joined by Amy Chronis as well as Duane Dickson with Deloitte. We’ll be right back. You’re listening to In The Oil Patch Radio Show.
Alvin Bailey: (10:25)
In the oil patch radio show is proud to bring you this week’s energy minute produced by Shalemag.com. Here’s Texas Railroad Commissioner Ryan Sitton with your current industry update.
Ryan Sitton: (10:37)
This is Texas Railroad Commissioner, Ryan Sitton with your energy minute oil prices fell by as much as 4% on Thursday breaking through a key support level as rising US crude stockpiles helped offset concerns about a supply crunch. The drop was partly due to the overhang from Wednesdays weekly report on US crude stockpiles which showed inventory surging by 9.9 million barrels. US stockpiles have risen in five of the last six weeks helping to ease the market’s concerned that global supplies are getting tight. WTI closed the day at $61 and 63 cents down, $1 and 97 cents a barrel while natural gas clothes the day at $2 and 59 cents also down 3 cents. This is Ryan Sitton and that’s your energy minute.
Listen to In The Oil Patch Radio and keep up with the oil and gas industry online at Shalemag.com
The vision of the Women’s Energy Network is to be the premier organization that educates, attracts, retains and develops professional women working across the value chain. Also known as WEN our mission is to develop programs that provide networking opportunities and foster career and leadership development of women who work in the energy industry. Thousands of women are breaking ground in energy industry careers every year and 4,000 of them are already members of the women’s energy network. Across our 14 chapters, members receive exclusive access to mentoring, Job boards, group discussions, member only networking events, experts speaking engagements, and more. Joined today by visiting womensenergynetwork.org/houston or call 1-(855) 390-0650 the women’s energy network, empowering women in energy.
Call us for the right part right now. Write down this number, Oil Field Experts 210-471-1923 and visit us on the web at www.TheOilFieldExperts.com
Kym Bolado: (13:12)
And welcome to In The Oil Patch radio show. I’m your host Kym Bolado and today we have a great show lined up for you. We will be joined in studio by Duane Dickson who is Vice Chairman and US oil, gas and chemical sector leader for Deloitte as well as Amy Chronis, the Houston managing partner for Deloitte. You guys, welcome to In The Oil Patch radio show.
Duane Dickson: (13:35)
Amy Chronis: (13:36)
Kym Bolado: (13:36)
Good morning. We are so excited to have you guys. We have had you guys on the show before in the past so we’re really happy to have you guys back. Amy we are happy to have you join us.
Amy Chronis: (13:48)
Great to be here.
Kym Bolado: (13:48)
We’re going to talk on the topic today, which is energy transitions. So this is a pretty important topic as it’s something kind of fairly new. And of course, being with Deloitte, this is the leader in the energy sector. So we’re excited to get started. So you guys, let me first of all talk just briefly about Deloitte. Amy, we’ll start with you. Just tell us, tell me a little bit about what your role looks like every day, or what are you handling.
Amy Chronis: (14:17)
I have the great privilege of representing Deloitte here in the Houston marketplace, and that means, representing us on local boards, community activities, representing our people. And just as importantly, I work on quite a few of our large energy integrated oil and gas and chemical companies, which are global. And so I have the great privilege of coordinating our resources globally for those clients, bringing the best of the firm to them and bring our industry insights and capabilities.
Kym Bolado: (14:46)
You know, it’s always amazing to me to see, you know, Deloitte just such an amazing brand or even just, you know when you’re talking to Deloitte and you’re in good hands. Duane, let’s talk a little bit about what is your role with Deloitte because obviously you have a lot of different areas you’re responsible for is well, so me a little bit about what your day looks like.
Duane Dickson: (15:09)
My days are pretty busy and I would say that as we look at my role, it’s oil, gas and chemical sector lead. And what that really means is across all of Deloitte’s four business functions. That would be our audit group, our tax group, our financial advisory group, and our consulting group. I lead the marketplace activities that go on there. In addition to that, I also drive the research agenda. So we spend a lot of time thinking about the future of oil and gas and how chemicals in oil and gas are fitting together and the future of the end markets that are slow, important to, you know, these, these industries.
Kym Bolado: (15:48)
Well, you know, you’re right, it is an important thing. I don’t think as a whole lot of people who really put together the up mid and downstream and how they all intertwined together. Because I think as consumers, most individuals just kind of look at, okay I’m dealing with the what are gas prices today in my vehicle. Then there’s of course utilities. Then there’s also the petrochemical part of it, which they’re like, how do these connect together? So I’m glad that we’re going to talk about the energy transition today. Duane, let me start with you. How do you respond when you’re asked by your clients? What issues are going to be impacting the energy transition? Let’s start with, what is the energy transition to you?
Duane Dickson: (16:33)
Yeah, so to me, the energy transition is really the way that the mix of energy that gets used to changes over time, the way that demand patterns change over time and the way that we actually optimize the value of, of all of the hydrocarbons that are produced. So as, as we start to think about that and think about it a little bit more, what it means, we are seeing a world that is becoming more sustainable. We’re seeing a world that’s becoming more digital and we’re also seeing a world where we’re seeing different alternatives for how people live in larger cities and how people move around, the way that they get mobile and, you know, we’re also seeing, you know, sustainability as a really serious issue now, which drives alternatives such as a renewable energy sources and electrification of vehicles. And this has a sort of a longterm impact on how fuels that we make today are used and how the demand patterns will be shaped.
Kym Bolado: (17:41)
Well, that’s a pretty interesting to think about. We attend a lot of conferences Duane and Amy and a lot of it is focusing around not just oil and gas, but like you said, the future and where are we going? I think there’s a lot of speculation and also a lot of confusion on, you know, where are we really going? And then we’re going to get into a little bit in the show but, you know, how long will fossil fuels be around versus a lot of these alternative energies. As you guys are aware, we have Sarah Week in town right now. A lot of emphasis has been on that. And then also I was just amazingly shocked but a wonderfully shocked to see how really cutting edge and digital, the oil and gas sector is of how they’re feeding into one another.
Kym Bolado: (18:28)
Like one specific company, I won’t mention their name was just full circle with really, you saw robotics, you saw they have a formula e car now that’s completely like a electric car. And it’s a formula one type vehicle. I was just shocked to see how much technology is really coming in and playing a super mega role in making the energy more or energy sector more efficient as well. And staying cutting edge. Amy let’s switch gears a little bit and talk a little bit about what do you see as far as where are we heading with the demand?
Amy Chronis: (19:05)
I think confidence in demand recovery’s returning with expectations for stable but relatively slower economic growth, commodity prices and investment. The market indicators seem to support this view with the US and global economy showing three things, a decent growth, energy demand increasing it’s above average levels, and risks to supply persisting from a few key exporting countries.
Kym Bolado: (19:29)
Well you know, when you talk about demand, and I want to get into that a little bit more because when you say demand is picking up, I guess in my mind, I wonder where. Other countries and in what areas are the demands. So we’re going to take a quick break. We’re going to return. I’d like to come back to that topic and see where is the biggest demand coming from and y’alls opinion as well. We do have to take a quick break. You’re listening to In The Oil patch radio show and we’ll be right back.
Aggreko has been powering the Permian Basin for over 10 years supporting Permian producers with temporary power to get their product to market. When utility power is not available Aggreko is your reliable alternative. Aggreko supports power systems as small as a single 200 kilowatt to as large as the 50 megawatt power plant. So when your utility power is delayed, call on Aggreko to engineer a diesel, natural gas, or battery solution to fit your needs. We have immediate availability right here in the Permian basin. Call 1-800-AGGREKO or online aggreko.com
Kym Bolado: (20:34)
Hi, this is Kym Bolado host of In The Oil Patch radio show. Starting every second Saturday of the month at 2:00 PM we will have a live call in show in which John Tintera, the president of Texas Alliance of energy producers will be joining me in studio to answer all your questions. So be sure to take advantage of getting your most important oil and gas questions answered live and join us on the show. The call in live line is (210) 526-3656. I’d love to get your questions answered, so be sure to call in at area code (210) 526-3656
Kym Bolado: (21:32)
We are back. You’re listening to In The Oil Patch radio show. We’re being joined today, our guest is Amy Chronis with Deloitte as well as Duane Dickson. You all, before the break we were talking about Amy, I asked you a question basically about what do we see with the demand and you kind of said that we’re on an uptick for energy being in demand all over. Can we break that down just a little bit, both of you guys and kind of tell me where do you feel this energy demand? I’m sure it’s global, but where? And in what ways are we going to see the biggest impacts?
Duane Dickson: (22:09)
So I think obviously to look at places where the markets are growing, we think of places such as China and India where population growth is very large and we looked for places where infrastructure is being built then and it is becoming a sort of more middle class rich. So that’s sort of one area that drives growth. Another area that drives growth is just sort of pent up demand. And that’s a little bit what we are seeing and especially with prices and inflation being pretty good at this point in our low, there, there is going to probably be an uptake and demand. Also as we look at the energy transition and we think about, you know, electrification and some of those trends, they’re going to be important mostly in city centers at the beginning and we’re still going to see a fairly heavy reliance on fossil fuel based products to use for transportation and farming and so forth in the more rural areas.
Kym Bolado: (23:08)
Interesting. Amy, tell me a little bit about fossil fuels. When do you think they’re going to peak in demand? What are your thoughts on this area?
Amy Chronis: (23:16)
Right, and in addition to the continued growth from our emerging economies that Duane mentioned, you know, the 21st century energy transition, it’s moving the world towards cleaner, low carbon energy, along with electrification of many applications including transportation. Most people expect this to lead plateau and then decline in the use of all fossil fuels, coal, oil and natural gas. Depending on government policies towards carbon reduction and consumer acceptance of cleaner fuels, I think it’s plausible that peak demand of fossil fuels will continue well beyond 2030.
Kym Bolado: (23:49)
Okay. Well I don’t know if you would really believe that in reference to, I’m not saying you’re not, I wouldn’t believe it, but just perception wise. Yet I think everybody thinks will be off of this in five years. Probably not.
Amy Chronis: (24:02)
Probably not. Much will depend on whether rising energy to me in an emerging economies can be met by low carbon non fossil fuels over the next 20 years or so.
Kym Bolado: (24:11)
Excellent. You know, I was again surprised to see that even other countries have, so CERAWeek had Aramco, Saudi Aramco there and they were discussing low, admission type of processes as well for their, I think conventional wells out there. So it was kind of good to see that I think the whole planet is on board with how are we going to do this in a more efficient and cleaner way. I think we’re seeing some really good technology coming out trying to develop that as well. Interesting. Duane, let’s talk a little bit about speculation. We are heading into a global downturn, right? Or so we think we’re heading that way. How important will this impact would be to the oil and gas industry?
Duane Dickson: (24:59)
So, let’s start by talking a little bit about what’s going on in the economy at the moment. So, prices at this point are up about 1.5%, which was relatively low. So we’re not seeing a lot of inflation at this point. The peak of inflation that we’ve seen in the sort of recent period was a 2.9% that happened sometime mid in 2018. What we’re also seeing is what’s driving some of that lower inflation is the big decline in energy prices? So energy overall is down about 5% year over year and gasoline or fuels, transportation fuels are done about 9.1%. Those are US figures. But we start to look at that and that starts to create a sense that, you know, we have lower inflation. So potentially we will see, you know, the government continue to keep interest rates low and keep the conditions pretty good. We’ve heard from most economists that the type of downturn we’re probably expecting it seems to be more muted or more mild. And I think if we look, if we look at the sort of impact on oil and gas, we’re basically gonna see, you know, the oil and gas industry sort of a decline a little bit if the economy is the decline because consumers really drive a fair amount of the overall volumes.
Kym Bolado: (26:34)
You bring up an interesting dilemma to think about as far as, you know, where are we going to go with the downward turn in oil and gas? And I don’t think we quite finished the complete question. So when we returned from break Duane, Amy, I’d like to get back on the topic of how is the oil and gas industry specifically going to handle the downward turn and what should they be prepping for? What should we all be prepping before when we hit this? But we do have to take a quick break. You are listening to and the oil patch radio show and we’ll be right back.
Shale Oil and Gas Business Magazine is the one stop shop that’ll keep you in front of the customers that you need to grow your business. Visit our website shalemag.com.
Plan your next meeting or event at Victoria Colleges Emerging Technology Complex. Home to the state of the art conference and Education Center. Conveniently located between Houston and Corpus Christi. The center hosts meetings, educational workshops and banquets for up to 300 people. With the latest in technology, amenities and ample parking. Let their professional meeting planners make your next event a success. For more information, go to conferenceinvictoria.com once again, that’s conferenceinvictoria.com.
The vision of the Women’s Energy Network is to be the premier organization that educates, attracts, retains and develops professional women working across the value chain. Members receive exclusive access to mentoring, job boards, group discussions, member only, networking events, experts speaking engagements and more. Joine today by visiting womensenergynetwork.org/houston or call 1-(855) 390-0650 the Women’s Energy Network. Empowering women in energy.
Kym Bolado: (28:40)
We’re back. You’re listening to In The Oil Patch radio show. We’re being joined today by Duane Dickson and Amy Chronis with Deloitte. And y’all, before the break we were talking a little bit about the downward turn, the global downward turn we’re expecting. How is this going to impact the oil and gas industry, Duane?
Duane Dickson: (28:59)
Well, I think first we need to look a little bit region by region and look at some of the factors that we expect to contribute to the downturn. So we’d like to see a more robust growth come in China. But right now we’re seeing relative slow down in China. We’re also seeing some trade issues. And I believe the oil and gas industry is watching both of those indicators pretty carefully. So the China market is obviously a big market for them. And in addition to that, the ability for trade, the flow freely is a big, you know, it’s a big issue at the moment. So that, that is one area. I think another area in oil and gas is, we’re seeing just a very, very large wave of investment in making things more efficient, more productive. And really with the digital tools that we have available these days are pretty substantial. And we’re starting to see some real breakthroughs in companies that are deploying digital technologies in their plants and in their distribution systems and with their customer base.
Kym Bolado: (30:06)
Interesting. What do you see the pace of the end market transition to alternative sources of energy?
Duane Dickson: (30:14)
So I think when we look at alternative sources of energy we look at wind and solar and we watch those trends. And right now we would have to say that the way those trends have been moving pretty much doubling every six months for a long period, a reasonably long period of time, a couple, three, four years. We would say that that has the potential to be an exponential trend, not just a linear trend. And if that is the case, then we’re going to see more and more of the grid first work its way, you know, through wind and solar and have sort of a more even distribution of energy sources. And then over time, if it continues to grow the way it has, it could start to, to cut into the traditional energy supply.
Kym Bolado: (31:01)
Interesting. Amy, what do you see the most progress being made in the oil and gas sector that’s driving the energy transition agenda?
Amy Chronis: (31:10)
Energy transition I think is profoundly challenging. The sustainability and resilience of traditional business models. So a huge need for a far more agility and nimbleness on both the sides of a private and government bodies. As energy sector faces this manager major transition, I think there’s a lot of uncertainty over the trajectory and pace at which it will unfold. Many in the oil and gas sector are in the process or preparing for or prepared for renewables. The pace of battery storage, product deployment and mark developments accelerating. Other factors include falling costs and maturing technology. Multiplying opportunities to add value to very noble is by combining them with energy storage and helping them to compete with conventional technologies. A natural gas producer, shippers and consumers are increasing their focus on mitigating methane emissions. Downstream chemicals in particular petrochemical companies, are ramping up their efforts to find solutions for plastic waste elimination and big decreases through recycling, repurposing, use of new materials and processes. So I think a lot of movement towards this need for action. Just a couple other things, the cost of solar and wind energy along with battery storage has been dropping consistently for several years. While performance is improved, as Duane mentioned. On the other hand, natural gas with a lower carbon content than core or oil is widely now available at affordable cost. And that’s likely to remain a mainstay for power generation for decades to come. But so both the oil and natural gas provide the main feedstocks for petrochemicals and we expect to see continued growth for the foreseeable future in that, I think petrochemicals will have a far bigger part of the pie growing forward.
Kym Bolado: (32:52)
Interesting. What about governments, any government leading the way in this energy transition and what can oil and gas companies basically do that to stay in front of this, to create some solutions?
Amy Chronis: (33:07)
Sure. There are pressure on economies for industry to be on the forefront of driving climate change. Yet governments seem to be leading the way with regulations. We heard the same theme at CERAWeek in Houston. For example, tax and trade policies will likely continue to impact renewable growth. Potentially accelerated project schedules ahead of tax credit phase down suggest a favorable outlook for renewable growth in 2019 and beyond. What tariffs could continue to create headwinds. A new and renewed policies and initiatives at the local state and federal level will likely boost renewable growth. There needs to be more public private partnerships. Driving sustainable in a circular economy is, I think, a big, big bottom line. Companies in the oil and gas industry have to leverage their core competencies while using smart digital technologies. It’s really exciting as both you and Duane have mentioned to see the digital technology is paving the way to lead the energy transition agenda. We’re seeing a lot of oil field service companies in particular that are innovating through digitization analytics to drive not only efficiency but to be more sustainable and environmentally cautious. The harnessing of the data we’re getting through all the sensors on equipment and the really creative ways that we’re seeing oil field service companies in particular use this enhancement, a way of operating, I think is really going to continue to lead costs down to a level that is very sustainable.
Kym Bolado: (34:31)
Oh, I couldn’t agree with you more. Looking at CERAWeek and seeing like you said, all of the new technology where most companies, service companies, don’t even have to go out in the field anymore. You’ve taken advantage of drones and technology that exists that just a heat sensors, water sensors. They’ve just truly become so efficient and it’s just growing. When we return from break, Duane, i’d like to go back to these energy transition and what it means and then is there any other alternative fuels that might be on the radar that are not as popular right now? Wind and solar that we might want to keep an eye on but we are going to take a quick break. You are listening to In The Oil Patch radio show and we’ll be right back.
The Texas Alliance of Energy Producers has a rich and commanding history of fighting for the independent oil and gas industry. The Texas Alliance became a statewide organization in 2000 with the merger of two of the oldest oil and gas associations in the nation. The North Texas Oil and Gas Association and the West Central Texas Oil and Gas Association. Today with more than 2,600 members, the Texas Alliance is the largest statewide association in the country serving independent energy producers and associated industries. Through our efforts in Washington DC and Austin, the Texas Alliance is focused on a better business climate for you. The Texas Alliance has a staff consisting of highly experienced senior staff and supporting consultants serving our membership. Offices are located in Austin and Wichita Falls. Become a member today by visiting Texasalliance.org or email us Texasalliance@texasalliance.org.
Hi, this is Kym Bolado host of In The Oil Patch Radio show. Do you have questions on global warming about seismicity, air quality, water issues? What’s OPEC? What’s OPEC plus? Oil prices and gas prices? You probably have a bunch of questions and now there is a place for you to go and ask your questions and get answers. Starting every second Saturday of the month at 2:00 PM we will have a live call in show in which John Tintera, the president of Texas Alliance of Energy Producers will be joining me in studio to answer all your questions. So be sure to take advantage of getting your most important oil and gas questions answered live and join us on the show. The call in live line is (210) 526-3656 Again, the call in live number is (210) 526-3656 Be sure to call in at 2:00 PM. If you want more information, how to call in life or the phone number, again, be sure to email us at firstname.lastname@example.org that’s email@example.com or just go to our Facebook page In The Oil Patch radio show. You’ll find the information there as well. We’d love to talk to you every second Saturday at 2:00 PM so be sure to call in. I’d love to get your questions answered. So be sure to call in at area code (210) 526-3656
Kym Bolado: (38:08)
We’re back. You’re listening to In The Oil Patch radio show. We’re being joined today by Duane Dickson and Amy Chronis with Deloitte. And before the break we were talking about energy transition. I want to get back on that, Duane. Tell me how fast will we see this energy transition and then what of course are going to be, some of the biggest challenges in then Amy, I’ll have you weigh in as well.
Amy Chronis: (38:30)
Duane Dickson: (38:31)
I think we’re going to start to see the impact of some of these changes in the 2025 to 2030 period. We won’t necessarily have our whole world changed or turned upside down, but we’re going to start to see the presence of technologies such as electrified vehicles and autonomous vehicles and so forth. And we’ve done a lot of work in the future of mobility area and we think it’s so profound that a statistic and our research basically says that by 2040, there’ll be a 25% increase in miles driven per passenger and there will be a 40% decrease in the number of units produced, number of a new vehicle units produced. So that’s quite a profound change. And so we see two trends that make that happen. Number one, we’re, we’re going to see a larger percentage over time of electrified vehicles because of the sustainability questions and especially in urban areas because there’s a very strong utility for vehicles there. But in addition to that, we’re, we’re going to also see shared vehicles, autonomous vehicles, and other ways of getting around, which is going to, you know, sort of make fleets have much higher utilization. They’re actually going to be fleets in the first place. They’re going to be much more highly utilized and that’s why the miles are going to go up, but they’re not gonna need as many units. So, we’re going to see a lot of changes.
Kym Bolado: (40:02)
Interesting. Amy, what do you think, what do you feel we’ll see here?
The drive towards a low carbon future catalyzed by the Paris Agreement and coupled with a series of socioeconomic and technological trends, It’s leading many in the oil and gas industry to fundamentally re-imagine what the energy company of the future looks like very rapidly. So petrochemical companies are not going away and are sending an example of how to take the intermediate step to transition from crude to chemicals. Downstream companies are part of the equation will set the pace for energy transition adoption. And I believe the biggest challenge may very well be the consumer driving energy transition quicker than anticipated. The consumers making decisions and choices that may ultimately expedite the agenda quite a bit, especially as with electric vehicles as Duane mentioned. Governments and private companies are going to have to jointly work together to help solve one of the challenges and, as I said, need to be as agile as possible and collaborate in public private partnerships.
Kym Bolado: (40:59)
Very interesting. Any fuels that are on the market or anything that we should be looking at? Maybe not on the radar as much as solar and wind, Duane?
Duane Dickson: (41:09)
Well, I think Amy referred to the use, the much more prevalent use of natural gas and we still have, you know, abundant natural gas. So, because it will be very affordable for a long period of time. I think you’ll continue to see efforts to harness that or liquefy that and make it a sort of much more globally available product rather than a locally available product. And we have significant interest and emphasis and research programs at universities and in government labs all over the world on how to actually take carbon dioxide andapply it to problems. In other words, it could be feedstock someday and help us make plastics or other materials and this would, would solve a big problem with our greenhouse gases and climate change. So I do think we need to watch the future for innovation and looking for ways to make things that are problems today, you know, the solutions of tomorrow.
Kym Bolado: (42:12)
Very interesting. It’s an exciting time that we’re living in right now. Amy, I’d like to close with you. So you are here. What are we seeing in the Houston area with the energy and how busy are we still with the prices kind of coming back up? I see a lot of activity here in Houston still.
Amy Chronis: (42:30)
There is a lot of activity, particularly around the large integrated companies, you know, all cylinder is running. I think the oil field service companies are still trying to come out of the industry downturn to in some ways because of the lower for longer a cost reduction needs aren’t going to go away. To your point, around millennials in the workforce, the future, it’s exciting to us that in terms of our future workforce, Our millennials are clearly gravitating towards, no cars, or you know, very high adaptability around, you know, a ride share and other technologies that I think that’s very positive and helpful to the transition agenda and sustainability overall.
Kym Bolado: (43:11)
Well, very good. I’d like to thank you both for coming into the studio and being our guest today with In The Oil Patch radio show and we look forward to you all coming back on here in the near future and discussing again. What are you guys working on in researching at Deloitte.
Duane Dickson: (43:26)
Thank you, it’s great to be back.
Amy Chronis: (43:27)
Kym Bolado: (43:27)
Well that’s all the time that we have for this show, but please be sure to like us on Facebook. That’s facebook.com/intheoilpatch or follow us on Twitter @ShaleMag. And if you have any questions for me or if you have questions on oil and gas, I encourage you to email me at firstname.lastname@example.org that’s going to wrap up another great show. See you next week with more exciting news and insightful interviews. Until then, adios.
Alvin Bailey: (43:58)
In The Oil Patach is where together, we explore topics that affect us all in oil, gas, business, and in your community. Every week, your host Kym Bolado will visit with the movers and shakers in this fast paced industry. You’ll hear from industry experts, elected officials, and many more, right here on In The Oil Patch.
Be sure to catch every show each weekend following this schedule:
Saturdays from 8am-9am
KSIX 1230AM, 95.1FM & 96.1FM
Saturdays from 1pm-2pm
KWEL 1070AM & 107.1FM
Midland / Odessa / Permian Basin
Saturdays from 2pm-3pm
San Antonio / New Braunfels / San Marcos / Austin
Connect with In The Oil Patch
Agreement between User and www.shalemag.com
Welcome to www.shalemag.com. The www.shalemag.com website (the “Site”) is comprised of various web pages operated by SHALE Oil & Gas Business Magazine (“SHALE Magazine”). www.shalemag.com is offered to you conditioned on your acceptance without modification of the terms, conditions, and notices contained herein (the “Terms”). Your use of www.shalemag.com constitutes your agreement to all such Terms. Please read these terms carefully, and keep a copy of them for your reference.
www.shalemag.com is a News and Information Site.
Shale Oil & Gas Business Magazine is a publication that showcases the dynamic impact of the energy industry. The mission of SHALE is to promote economic growth and business opportunities and to further the general understanding of how the energy industry contributes to the economic well-being of Texas and the United States as a whole. Shale’s distribution includes industry leaders and businesses, service workers, entrepreneurs and the public at large.
Visiting www.shalemag.com or sending emails to SHALE Magazine constitutes electronic communications. You consent to receive electronic communications and you agree that all agreements, notices, disclosures and other communications that we provide to you electronically, via email and on the Site, satisfy any legal requirement that such communications be in writing.
If you use this site, you are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your account and password and for restricting access to your computer, and you agree to accept responsibility for all activities that occur under your account or password. You may not assign or otherwise transfer your account to any other person or entity. You acknowledge that SHALE Magazine is not responsible for third party access to your account that results from theft or misappropriation of your account. SHALE Magazine and its associates reserve the right to refuse or cancel service, terminate accounts, or remove or edit content in our sole discretion.
Children Under Thirteen
SHALE Magazine does not knowingly collect, either online or offline, personal information from persons under the age of thirteen. If you are under 18, you may use www.shalemag.com only with permission of a parent or guardian.
You may cancel your subscription at any time. Any cancellations made after 14 days of service will not qualify for a refund. Please contact us at email@example.com with any questions.
Links to Third Party Sites/Third Party Services
www.shalemag.com may contain links to other websites (“Linked Sites”). The Linked Sites are not under the control of SHALE Magazine and SHALE Magazine is not responsible for the contents of any Linked Site, including without limitation any link contained in a Linked Site, or any changes or updates to a Linked Site. SHALE Magazine is providing these links to you only as a convenience, and the inclusion of any link does not imply endorsement by SHALE Magazine of the site or any association with its operators.
Certain services made available via www.shalemag.com are delivered by third party sites and organizations. By using any product, service or functionality originating from the www.shalemag.com domain, you hereby acknowledge and consent that SHALE Magazine may share such information and data with any third party with whom SHALE Magazine has a contractual relationship to provide the requested product, service or functionality on behalf of www.shalemag.com users and customers.
No Unlawful or Prohibited Use/Intellectual Property
All content included as part of the Service, such as text, graphics, logos, images, as well as the compilation thereof, and any software used on the Site, is the property of SHALE Magazine or its suppliers and protected by copyright and other laws that protect intellectual property and proprietary rights. You agree to observe and abide by all copyright and other proprietary notices, legends or other restrictions contained in any such content and will not make any changes thereto.
You will not modify, publish, transmit, reverse engineer, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit any of the content, in whole or in part, found on the Site. SHALE Magazine content is not for resale. Your use of the Site does not entitle you to make any unauthorized use of any protected content, and in particular you will not delete or alter any proprietary rights or attribution notices in any content. You will use protected content solely for your personal use, and will make no other use of the content without the express written permission of SHALE Magazine and the copyright owner. You agree that you do not acquire any ownership rights in any protected content. We do not grant you any licenses, express or implied, to the intellectual property of SHALE Magazine or our licensors except as expressly authorized by these Terms.
Use of Communication Services
The Site may contain bulletin board services, chat areas, news groups, forums, communities, personal web pages, calendars, and/or other message or communication facilities designed to enable you to communicate with the public at large or with a group (collectively, “Communication Services”). You agree to use the Communication Services only to post, send and receive messages and material that are proper and related to the particular Communication Service.
By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when using a Communication Service, you will not: defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others; publish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, infringing, obscene, indecent or unlawful topic, name, material or information; upload files that contain software or other material protected by intellectual property laws (or by rights of privacy of publicity) unless you own or control the rights thereto or have received all necessary consents; upload files that contain viruses, corrupted files, or any other similar software or programs that may damage the operation of another’s computer; advertise or offer to sell or buy any goods or services for any business purpose, unless such Communication Service specifically allows such messages; conduct or forward surveys, contests, pyramid schemes or chain letters; download any file posted by another user of a Communication Service that you know, or reasonably should know, cannot be legally distributed in such manner; falsify or delete any author attributions, legal or other proper notices or proprietary designations or labels of the origin or source of software or other material contained in a file that is uploaded; restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Communication Services; violate any code of conduct or other guidelines which may be applicable for any particular Communication Service; harvest or otherwise collect information about others, including e-mail addresses, without their consent; violate any applicable laws or regulations.
SHALE Magazine has no obligation to monitor the Communication Services. However, SHALE Magazine reserves the right to review materials posted to a Communication Service and to remove any materials in its sole discretion. SHALE Magazine reserves the right to terminate your access to any or all of the Communication Services at any time without notice for any reason whatsoever.
SHALE Magazine reserves the right at all times to disclose any information as necessary to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request, or to edit, refuse to post or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, in SHALE Magazine’s sole discretion.
Always use caution when giving out any personally identifying information about yourself or your children in any Communication Service. SHALE Magazine does not control or endorse the content, messages or information found in any Communication Service and, therefore, SHALE Magazine specifically disclaims any liability with regard to the Communication Services and any actions resulting from your participation in any Communication Service. Managers and hosts are not authorized SHALE Magazine spokespersons, and their views do not necessarily reflect those of SHALE Magazine.
Materials uploaded to a Communication Service may be subject to posted limitations on usage, reproduction and/or dissemination. You are responsible for adhering to such limitations if you upload the materials.
Materials Provided to www.shalemag.com or Posted on Any SHALE Magazine Web Page
SHALE Magazine does not claim ownership of the materials you provide to www.shalemag.com (including feedback and suggestions) or post, upload, input or submit to any SHALE Magazine Site or our associated services (collectively “Submissions”). However, by posting, uploading, inputting, providing or submitting your Submission you are granting SHALE Magazine, our affiliated companies and necessary sublicensees permission to use your Submission in connection with the operation of their Internet businesses including, without limitation, the rights to: copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your Submission; and to publish your name in connection with your Submission.
No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your Submission, as provided herein. SHALE Magazine is under no obligation to post or use any Submission you may provide and may remove any Submission at any time in SHALE Magazine’s sole discretion.
By posting, uploading, inputting, providing or submitting your Submission you warrant and represent that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to your Submission as described in this section including, without limitation, all the rights necessary for you to provide, post, upload, input or submit the Submissions.
Third Party Accounts
You will be able to connect your SHALE Magazine account to third party accounts. By connecting your SHALE Magazine account to your third party account, you acknowledge and agree that you are consenting to the continuous release of information about you to others (in accordance with your privacy settings on those third party sites). If you do not want information about you to be shared in this manner, do not use this feature.
The Service is controlled, operated and administered by SHALE Magazine from our offices within the USA. If you access the Service from a location outside the USA, you are responsible for compliance with all local laws. You agree that you will not use the SHALE Magazine Content accessed through www.shalemag.com in any country or in any manner prohibited by any applicable laws, restrictions or regulations.
You agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless SHALE Magazine, its officers, directors, employees, agents and third parties, for any losses, costs, liabilities and expenses (including reasonable attorney’s fees) relating to or arising out of your use of or inability to use the Site or services, any user postings made by you, your violation of any terms of this Agreement or your violation of any rights of a third party, or your violation of any applicable laws, rules or regulations. SHALE Magazine reserves the right, at its own cost, to assume the exclusive defense and control of any matter otherwise subject to indemnification by you, in which event you will fully cooperate with SHALE Magazine in asserting any available defenses.
In the event the parties are not able to resolve any dispute between them arising out of or concerning these Terms and Conditions, or any provisions hereof, whether in contract, tort, or otherwise at law or in equity for damages or any other relief, then such dispute shall be resolved only by final and binding arbitration pursuant to the Federal Arbitration Act, conducted by a single neutral arbitrator and administered by the American Arbitration Association, or a similar arbitration service selected by the parties, in a location mutually agreed upon by the parties. The arbitrator’s award shall be final, and judgment may be entered upon it in any court having jurisdiction. In the event that any legal or equitable action, proceeding or arbitration arises out of or concerns these Terms and Conditions, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover its costs and reasonable attorney’s fees. The parties agree to arbitrate all disputes and claims in regards to these Terms and Conditions or any disputes arising as a result of these Terms and Conditions, whether directly or indirectly, including Tort claims that are a result of these Terms and Conditions. The parties agree that the Federal Arbitration Act governs the interpretation and enforcement of this provision. The entire dispute, including the scope and enforceability of this arbitration provision shall be determined by the Arbitrator. This arbitration provision shall survive the termination of these Terms and Conditions.
Class Action Waiver
Any arbitration under these Terms and Conditions will take place on an individual basis; class arbitrations and class/representative/collective actions are not permitted. THE PARTIES AGREE THAT A PARTY MAY BRING CLAIMS AGAINST THE OTHER ONLY IN EACH’S INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY, AND NOT AS A PLAINTIFF OR CLASS MEMBER IN ANY PUTATIVE CLASS, COLLECTIVE AND/ OR REPRESENTATIVE PROCEEDING, SUCH AS IN THE FORM OF A PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL ACTION AGAINST THE OTHER. Further, unless both you and SHALE Magazine agree otherwise, the arbitrator may not consolidate more than one person’s claims, and may not otherwise preside over any form of a representative or class proceeding.
THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, AND SERVICES INCLUDED IN OR AVAILABLE THROUGH THE SITE MAY INCLUDE INACCURACIES OR TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS. CHANGES ARE PERIODICALLY ADDED TO THE INFORMATION HEREIN. SHALE OIL & GAS BUSINESS MAGAZINE AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS MAY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND/OR CHANGES IN THE SITE AT ANY TIME.
SHALE OIL & GAS BUSINESS MAGAZINE AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED ON THE SITE FOR ANY PURPOSE. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, ALL SUCH INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS ARE PROVIDED “AS IS” WITHOUT WARRANTY OR CONDITION OF ANY KIND. SHALE OIL & GAS BUSINESS MAGAZINE AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TITLE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT.
SHALE Magazine reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to terminate your access to the Site and the related services or any portion thereof at any time, without notice. To the maximum extent permitted by law, this agreement is governed by the laws of the State of Texas and you hereby consent to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of courts in Texas in all disputes arising out of or relating to the use of the Site. Use of the Site is unauthorized in any jurisdiction that does not give effect to all provisions of these Terms, including, without limitation, this section.
You agree that no joint venture, partnership, employment, or agency relationship exists between you and SHALE Magazine as a result of this agreement or use of the Site. SHALE Magazine’s performance of this agreement is subject to existing laws and legal process, and nothing contained in this agreement is in derogation of SHALE Magazine’s right to comply with governmental, court and law enforcement requests or requirements relating to your use of the Site or information provided to or gathered by SHALE Magazine with respect to such use. If any part of this agreement is determined to be invalid or unenforceable pursuant to applicable law including, but not limited to, the warranty disclaimers and liability limitations set forth above, then the invalid or unenforceable provision will be deemed superseded by a valid, enforceable provision that most closely matches the intent of the original provision and the remainder of the agreement shall continue in effect.
Unless otherwise specified herein, this agreement constitutes the entire agreement between the user and SHALE Magazine with respect to the Site and it supersedes all prior or contemporaneous communications and proposals, whether electronic, oral or written, between the user and SHALE Magazine with respect to the Site. A printed version of this agreement and of any notice given in electronic form shall be admissible in judicial or administrative proceedings based upon or relating to this agreement to the same extent and subject to the same conditions as other business documents and records originally generated and maintained in printed form. It is the express wish to the parties that this agreement and all related documents be written in English.
Changes to Terms
SHALE Magazine reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to change the Terms under which www.shalemag.com is offered. The most current version of the Terms will supersede all previous versions. SHALE Magazine encourages you to periodically review the Terms to stay informed of our updates.
SHALE Magazine welcomes your questions or comments regarding the Terms:
SHALE Oil & Gas Business Magazine
5150 Broadway #493
San Antonio, TX 78209
Effective as of November 27, 2017